Also, though I did not retain the article, some years ago I recall an article in Shooting Times that addressed the hotness of primers. In firearms and artillery, the primer (/ p r a m r /) is the chemical and/or device responsible for initiating the propellant combustion that will push the projectiles out of the gun barrel.. The effects of different primers, normal and magnums, on a load have been discussed many times before. 10. 3.8-4.8 .3218, 12 KVB 7 LR Russian 4.27 3.8-4.8 .2213, 13 Rem 91/2 (30 yrs old) 4.16 3.8-4.8 .3427, 14 Rem LP 4.47
Both for 6.5 CM. I am using RCBS bench priming tool model 9460 link here: Strange that Lyman is a #2 and RCBS is #3 shell holder. Remington - 209. Trying to decide which primers to buy next. Most of the tests were of 100 or more primers. 5.2-6.5 .4437, 3 CCI 250 LRM 5.66
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Credit should also be given to Target Shooter Magazine for publishing the results. Thanks ! Match King bullet, molly coated. July 9, 2018. Get a Remington License Plate Frame for $1 with ammo purchase. It confirms what many of us have known for a long time. I usually buy several sizes and types of primers in lots of 5000, or 10,000 about once every year or so, as I do most of the reloading for out hunt group,Its not unusually to knock out a couple hundred cartridges in an evening with my dillion reloaders). Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. And standard primers. If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important new article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine.Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different . 4 Comments. July 21, 2020 By Joseph von Benedikt. following primers in our possession. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. average velocities and MV consistency. Product Details. Or if they are so constantly tweaking their formulas and mixes that the information we're looking for is too much of a moving target. NOTE: Values in chart are based on 15-Shot strings. Three shot groups. 0000054368 00000 n
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Standard deviation . This is on a DMS (don't mean squat) scale. You must log in or register to reply here. Primer with Smallest Group Size: Remington 9 LR (0.43 average, three 5-shot groups) _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-6323545-2']);
- All the large rifle primers measured have the same thickness. CCI Bench Rest Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $199.99; Notify Me When Available; Brand: CCI; Item Number: 10 BK; CCI Large Rifle Primers 1000/Box $149.99; Notify Me When Available; . We used Lapua brass and the A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. and .280 Rem., to name a few. Ive since rerun the series with .308 Win Palma brass and small primers. And small rifle primers within the large. A few were of 50 when limited amounts were available. For example, would you guess that Sellier & Bellot primers had the lowest ES, by a significant margin? 50 BMG (BMG) CCI - No.35. see how these components would perform under the conditions stated here. All powder charges Primer Size Chart . Do not use these charts for load development. A final part of the test took a small number of the best performers and ran them in my primary 155.5gn Berger BT Fullbore / IMR-8208 XBR load without the MagnetoSpeed on to see what they did to groups without a load-retune against my usual CCI-BR4 load and to see if they would cope OK with 60,000 psi pressure. (function() {
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Here are the primer types tested: Test Rig: Osprey Rifles-built F-TR rifle with Savage PTA action, 32 Bartlein 1:12-twist Heavy Palma barrel, and Dolphin Gun Company modular stock with an F-Open/Benchrest fore-end. I use cci 400 for my AR with great success ! http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/003275.html, [This message has been edited by Dutch (edited 02-08-2002).]. A larger sweet spot means more reliable ignition in guns that produce off-center hits. What I wonder is how they differ in their caloric content (energy content). rifle, chambered for the 338 Lapua. On the other hand, if some of the primers that gave poorer results in your testing with a specific .308 load gave much better results with a different cartridge/powder/bullet weight, it would be much more difficult to make any general predictions that might allow a reloader to keep a stock of only two or three types on hand, one of which would be likely to give satisfactory results over a wide range of cartridges and powders. PRIMER LEGEND . SPM = Small Pistol Mag . 0000076644 00000 n
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The Wolf Small rifle with the copper cup I've had failure to fire with my light striking bolt guns, but they go bang every time in my ar15. Quest for Less Vertical Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Vertical Dispersion Test Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Primer Availability Report Wolf Primers Have Arrived, Primer Comparison Testing with 6 BRA at 500 Yards. It seems to even out the ignition by eliminating a variable (sometimes with grains in and sometimes without
A different order between a few wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if I did it all again with a different standard load. NOTE: This data is reference only. Click Photo to read full test results in Target Shooter Magazine. .2232, 16 CCI 300 LP 3.18
2 Winchester WAALite 37 VihtaVuori N340. Dev. If the brass has a large. The following loads are with 41.2 grains of VVN 540, which These primers use a heavier, thicker cup to withstand the more intense small-cased rifle cartridges such as the .222 and .223 Remingtons. Thanks OP for posting. McMillan synthetic stock. $ 249.99. test, using all the different primers that we have here. Total group size variance (from best to worst) was 0.27. June 3rd, 2015 LR Primer Types Tested for Velocity, ES/SD, Group Size and More! 506 42
Which is better for muzzleloading, large rifle primers or 209 primers?There are many different types of muzzleloader ignit. 1.09K Views. 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js';
An old rule of thumb suggests the use of magnum primers any time the powder charge is 60 grains or more. Remington Shotshell Primer All Gauges. 547 0 obj
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Three shot groups. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different large primer types using a custom F-TR target rifle shot from the bench. My Components; My Loading Data; All User Loading Data; Components . Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. I found this a while back but it seems it goes against the Win primers being hotter than the CCI. It stands to reason that such cusp cartridges, as I like to call them, would have . If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine. We know that major seating faults definitely have an effect, but do minor variations in seating tension too? FWIW, Dutch. The ES/SD numbers will therefore be higher than is typical with five-shot strings. This testing was done to try and rank primers by power (brisance). bullet and brass. My .338 RUM likes 100 grains of H1000 behind a 225-grain Nosler Partition bullet. LR Primer Types Tested for Velocity, ES/SD, Group Size and More! LP = Large Pistol . 30H32. Primer Testing Reference. load have been discussed many times before. 6,5 to 9,3 mm: 100: 10: 33: 18,4: 40,5: Percussion caps. Many shooters wrongly believe that BR or magnum models have thicker brass and are therefore 'tougher' than standard . once fired Weatherby brass and the Sierra 190-grain Match King bullet, molly 0000053407 00000 n
All the following loads were with the Berger 85 grain Primers labeled "match grade" cost 10 to 20 percent more than standard versions. Originally designed for the bolt-action Mosin-Nagant rifle, it was used during the late tsarist era and throughout the Soviet period to the present day. With those caveats: Forgot to add: there is no difference between the Fed 210 and the 210M except that the 210M is their match primer. Bullets; Primers; . (6 1/2 cup thickness is.020, 7 . did the bedding, and installed a Leupold 4-12 X scope in Leupold mounts. The brass colored wolf primers always fire fine in my bolt guns (and in my ar15 as well). 0000005537 00000 n
were of 50 when limited amounts were available. brass. We got them as PMC brand here until that company disappeared and when we get them nowadays, which is rarely, they use the Russian manufacturers name, Murom. 0000001728 00000 n
Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Very interesting. At the other end of the cartridge scale, 2.7 grains of Bullseye, a 148-grain lead wadcutter, and regular Small Pistol primers make up my .38 Special target ammo. The 7.6254mmR is a rimmed rifle cartridge developed by the Russian Empire and introduced as a service cartridge in 1891. brass. What is the pressure of a .44mag? . 41 - Small Military Rifle Primers | 1,000 Count $ 119.99 $ 99.99. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Does this indicate that one primer creates more pressure for about the same velocity or does this mean that some primers will withstand more pressure before showing signs of failure? In Winchester testing labs, primers are constantly and rigorously tested for consistency and sensitivity at temperatures and conditions far beyond the range of normal usage. The average group size for the top six primers varied by only 0.10 (0.43 to 0.53), so one cant conclude that one type is much better than another. http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=56422.0, http://www.mpzflame.ru/production/primers/, www.sinclairintl.com/product/11248/Primer-Pocket-Tools, https://www.rcbs.com/priming/bench-mounted/automatic-priming-tool/16-9460.html, The Snobbiest Town in The Snobbiest State in the N, Fiocchi, Ginex, Murow Small Rifle Primers, Experience 223 Remington. HTH, Dutch. 0000027667 00000 n
This is an important test, with significant findings. CCI No. 2.7-3.5 .2406, 17 Federal 150 LP 3.11
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Add to Wishlist. Even though they dont recommend it? Size Large. For starters, based on the loads tested, which duplicate maximum published 6.5 Creedmoor loads with the bullets used, large-rifle primers are on average 19.66 percent better than small-rifle . - Cases that utilize small rifle primers and operate at higher pressures (55,000 psi) should use CCI 450, CCI BR4, Fed 205 and Rem 7 1/2. CCI 350 MAG Large Pistol Primers - 100 Ct. $22.99. of extruded Hodgdon H4831. Fishing Bait Chart; Hunting Camo Patterns; Guns. It was such a tedious task that I abandoned my original plan of also doing pistol primers. Thanks again for the excellent write-up and work! They are very similar in their rate of propagation. RWS, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Federal 210, Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. The line that shows We thought we would run our own 6 rounds with the RWS primers hang fired, including 2 of The US industry standards for Boxer primers are: Small pistol and rifle diameter: .175" Small pistol and rifle height: .110" Large pistol and rifle diameter: .210" Large pistol height: .110" Large rifle height: .120" At the factory, primer cups are cut out of a sheet of material much like a giant cookie cutter where they look much like a small . $5.03. Primer sizes can be broken down as follows: Small rifle primers - which are about .175 inches in diameter and .120 inches tall. The first "magnum" primer, the Federal 215 was designed for this very purpose. I suspect they have a minor influence, but thats hunch not science! CCI No. Primer with Highest ES/SD: Remington 9 M Magnum (47/14.0 fps) I did not put in the individual comments. Out of stock. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. It's higher than 30-30, and not much less than the 30-06. This would give us some sort of idea of how they perform in . We re We have found the
Winchester Large Rifle primers produced a standard deviation of velocity of 13 f.p.s. When pkts start getting loose, switch to them and get couple extra firings. New. 0000015151 00000 n
borrowed. Stronger hit is probably more consistent. This means a LRP will not seat flush or below the face of the case head in a pistol cartridge . Read more; CCI Aps Strips . 0000007461 00000 n
All the following groups were 3 shots at 100 yards, I wrote Freedom Is Never Free. Shotgun (209) CCI - 209. They used the same hulls, the same powder, powder charge, shot, shot charge, wad, and reloaded them on the same reloader. 0000053767 00000 n
the 3 frozen overnight. for the 300 Weatherby magnum. Must add the Federal Dry Bag to your cart, one per order. The following are with 75 grains of Reloader 19. CCI #250 Large Rifle Magnum Primers (1000) Rated 5.00 out of 5 $ 95.00. 4.1-6.0 .4300, 7 Remington 9 1/2 LR 4.75 3.7-6.25 .5679, 8 Fed Match GM210M 4.64 4.0-5.6 .3296, 9 Federal 210 LR 4.62
(Heat) and cause different powders to react differently. Cameron. Winchester Reloading Large Rifle Magnum Primers. LP = Large Pistol LPM = Large Pistol Mag SR = Small Rifle LR = Large Rifle LRM = Large Rifle Mag BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Primer Size and Bullet Diameter Chart - 2 4050 S. Clark, Mexico, MO 65265 www.grafs.com 800-531-2666 32 Short Colt .313 SP 32 Winchester Special .321 LR 32-20 WCF .312 SR 32-40 WCF .320 LR 325 Winchester Short . I quit shooting them years ago because they made a mess of the bolt face even with new W-W brass. We have found the following primers in our possession. startxref
Since then almost every company has changed their primers. Posted: 5/29/2018 9:45:54 PM EST. Primer with Lowest ES/SD: Sellier & Bellot LR (12/3.1 fps) That is how I came up with the results. This has been noted by some sharps shooters when they break a firing pin. hb```,? I guess what my question boils down to is whether you think the range of primer performance you observed in your test here would carry over to other cartridges and powder selections. WHILE MAGTECH BRAND PRIMERS HAVE NOT BEEN IMPORTED AND OFFERED FOR SALE THROUGH AUTHORIZED CHANNELS FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THERE ARE STILL SUBSTANTIAL QUANTITIES REMAINING IN RELOADER'S INVENTORIES. 4.0-5.0 .2460, 11 CCI 200 LR 4.28
ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? Out-of-Stock. temperatures. Interesting read, thanks! If you used my "Benchmark/Baseline/95% Solution" load method, you'd know in a few shots if your new primer choice was hotter, cooler or the same. Note the spreads. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I like the Wolf/Tula also because there a couple .0001s larger diam. 0000015415 00000 n
While searching around for some info I stumbled on to this thread and its too good not to share. chart, http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ammunition_st_mamotaip_200909/, http://www.castingstuff.com/primer_testing_reference.htm. This charge fills the case to about half In fact, from testing I and others have done, it almost seems to be capricious in nature, and therefore unpredictable as to which primer(s) might be the best alternatives to test when one is not giving satisfactory results. Compare Compare Now. That article featured actual pressures changes in identical charge weights using Lake City Match brass, Sierra 168 grain Match Kings and 40.5 grains of IMR-4895. I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. Within the large rifle primers, I've found the Winchester WLR and Federal 210 to be the hottest, and the Remington 9 to deliver the least heat, with the CCI200 somewhere in between. WSL. By contrast to the Fiocchis, they were an almost slack fit in the cases and this may have contributed to their consistent performance. Laurie Holland. Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. 0000002213 00000 n
Large Rifle Magnum Match (LRM MATCH) Federal - 215m. Heat of explosion per gram is similar as well. 0000000016 00000 n
The Murom KVB-7 or KVB-7M should be the Wolf LR-M under a different name. same bullet and brass. in a Ruger Target model rifle. This another thing to consider in shooting. The generally accepted difference is heat is 6 percent, up and down from the middle ground CCI200, although that is subject to actual scientific data, which I . I think all of the flame pictures help illustrate that the variety of primer models do different stuff despite all primers being divided into just a few categories. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Almost forgot, Saeed has some data too http://www.accuratereloading.com/primer.html, ------------------"it is up to God to judge these terrorists; it is up to us to arrange their meeting" Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, [This message has been edited by R-WEST (edited 02-09-2002).]. Editors Comment: Laurie shot three, 5-shot groups at 100 yards with each primer type. Out of stock. SR = Small Rifle . Buy in store-Limit 2. 14 Likes. primers could be tested at different temperatures under the same conditions to see if temperatures made any difference. 0000004445 00000 n
A F215 in a .338 Win Mag load. TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER GRATING GRATINGS PER BOX BOXES PER CASE WEIGHT PER CASE; kg lb; V360157: Small Pistol 4,4 Boxer: .